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VEGETARIANS HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY STRONGER BONES THAN MEAT-EATERS
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and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
2010-05-12 10:17:17 UTC
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Meat Eaters Have Double the Bone Loss

Fact City 12

On August 22, 1984, the Medical Tribune reported a major study of
bone densities in the United States. The conclusion was typical of
many such studies: "Vegetarians were found to have significantly
stronger bones."

In March 1983, the Journal of Clinical Nutrition reported the results
of the largest study of this kind ever undertaken. Researchers at
Michigan State University and other major universities found that, by
the age of 65 in the United States:

*** Male vegetarians had an average measurable bone loss of 3%
xxx Male meat-eaters had an average measurable bone loss of 7%

*** Female vegetarians had an average measurable bone loss of 18%
xxx Female meat-eaters had an average measurable bone loss of 35%

By the time she reaches the age of sixty-five the average meat-eating
woman in the United States has lost over a third of her skeletal
structure. In contrast, older vegetarian women tend to remain active,
maintain erect postures, and are less likely to fracture or break
bones even with increased physical activity. If their bones do break
or fracture, they heal faster and more completely.

- Ellis, F., et al., "Incidence of Osteoporosis in Vegetarians and
Omnivores" American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 25:555, 1972

- American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, March 1983

- Wachman, Amnon, et al., "Diet and Osteoporosis" Lancet, May 4,
1968, pg. 958

Cited in Robbins, John, "Diet for A New America",
Stillpoint Publishing, 1987.

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

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'OSTEOPOROSIS FACT SHEET'

http://www.dolcera.com/wiki/images/Osteoporosis_factsheet.pdf

India

1 out of 8 males and 1 out of 3 females in India suffers from
osteoporosis,
making India one of the largest affected countries in the world.28

Expert groups peg the number of osteoporosis patients at approximately
26
million (2003 figures) with the numbers projected to increase to 36
million
by 2013.29

Two points worth noting about osteoporosis in India - the high incidence
among men and the lower age of peak incidence compared to Western
countries.

The incidence of hip fracture is 1 woman to 1 man in India25 In most
Western countries, while the peak incidence of osteoporosis o ccurs at
about 70-80 years of age, in India it may afflict those 10-20 years
younger, at age 50-60.25 ÿ
Sidney Lambe
2010-05-12 12:03:44 UTC
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Meat Eaters Have Double the Bone Loss
Fact City 12
On August 22, 1984, the Medical Tribune reported a major study
of bone densities in the United States. The conclusion was
typical of many such studies: "Vegetarians were found to have
significantly stronger bones."
[delete]

Vegetarians ARE meateaters. They eat animal products/proteins.
You don't have to eat mammal flesh(muscles) or organs to be a meateater.A fish is an animal. It isn't a plant. Dairy products don't grow
on plants. Molluscs and crustaceans are animals, not plants.

So what you are saying above doesn't make sense unless you mean
vegan/herby instead of 'vegetarian' (which is just a wannabee
vegan/herby who doesn't have the courage/discipline/integrity
to do the job right but wants the credit for it.)

Sid
and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
2010-05-12 12:44:04 UTC
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Post by Sidney Lambe
Post by and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Meat Eaters Have Double the Bone Loss
Fact City 12
On August 22, 1984, the Medical Tribune reported a major study
of bone densities in the United States. The conclusion was
typical of many such studies: "Vegetarians were found to have
significantly stronger bones."
. . .
Vegetarians ARE meateaters. They eat animal products/proteins.
You don't have to eat mammal flesh(muscles) or organs to be a meateater.A fish
is an animal. It isn't a plant. Dairy products don't grow
on plants. Molluscs and crustaceans are animals, not plants.
Fish is not a vegetable; vegetarians don't eat fish or other meat.
Post by Sidney Lambe
So what you are saying above doesn't make sense unless you mean
vegan/herby instead of 'vegetarian' (which is just a wannabee
vegan/herby who doesn't have the courage/discipline/integrity
to do the job right but wants the credit for it.)
Sid
The difference between a vegetarian and a vegan is that a vegetarian is
*generally* understood to eat some dairy products but not meat. A vegan
eats only fruits, vegetables, legumes and grains. Other terms that are
used are vegetarian, lacto-vegetarian and lacto-ovo-vegetarian.

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
Sidney Lambe
2010-05-12 16:43:52 UTC
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Post by Sidney Lambe
Post by and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Meat Eaters Have Double the Bone Loss
Fact City 12
On August 22, 1984, the Medical Tribune reported a major study
of bone densities in the United States. The conclusion was
typical of many such studies: "Vegetarians were found to have
significantly stronger bones."
. . .
Vegetarians ARE meateaters. They eat animal products/proteins.
You don't have to eat mammal flesh(muscles) or organs to be a meateater.A fish
is an animal. It isn't a plant. Dairy products don't grow
on plants. Molluscs and crustaceans are animals, not plants.
Fish is not a vegetable;
Duh. I didn't say it was.
Post by and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
vegetarians don't eat fish or other meat.
Yes. Millions of people who callthemselves vegetarians eat
all manner of seafood. Just like some eat eggs and some use
dairy products.

They are all meat-eaters. They eat animal proteins.
Post by and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Post by Sidney Lambe
So what you are saying above doesn't make sense unless you mean
vegan/herby instead of 'vegetarian' (which is just a wannabee
vegan/herby who doesn't have the courage/discipline/integrity
to do the job right but wants the credit for it.)
Sid
The difference between a vegetarian and a vegan is that
a vegetarian is *generally* understood to eat some dairy
products but not meat.
Wrong. The only thing all so-called "vegetarians" share in
common is that they supposedly don't eat mammalian flesh.
Most of them do, when people aren't looking.
Post by and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
A vegan eats only fruits, vegetables,
legumes and grains.
Nonsense. A vegan eats any plant foods.
There are vegan recipes by the tens of thousands on the
web. Check it out for yourself.
Post by and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Other terms that are used are vegetarian,
lacto-vegetarian and lacto-ovo-vegetarian.
And all those people are meat-eaters. They eat
animal proteins.
Post by and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Jai Maharaj, Jyotish Om Shant i
You are so far off base you can't even see the
stadium.

I call myself an herby, meaning herbivore. I eat only plants
of any kind.

What a 'vegan' is, exactly, is a much debated subject.

By the way, parroting scientific studies that appeal to you,
while ignoring those that contradict your preferences, does
not make you a Ph.D or Sc.d.

Where did you earn your graduate degrees? I'd like to
see your name on their alumni lists.

Sid
and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
2010-05-13 02:23:55 UTC
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Post by Sidney Lambe
Post by and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Meat Eaters Have Double the Bone Loss
Fact City 12
On August 22, 1984, the Medical Tribune reported a major study
of bone densities in the United States. The conclusion was
typical of many such studies: "Vegetarians were found to have
significantly stronger bones."
. . .
Vegetarians ARE meateaters. They eat animal products/proteins.
You don't have to eat mammal flesh(muscles) or organs to be a meateater.A
fish
Post by and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Post by Sidney Lambe
is an animal. It isn't a plant. Dairy products don't grow
on plants. Molluscs and crustaceans are animals, not plants.
Fish is not a vegetable;
Duh. I didn't say it was.
You implied that vegetarians eat fish.
Post by Sidney Lambe
Post by and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
vegetarians don't eat fish or other meat.
Yes. Millions of people who callthemselves vegetarians eat
all manner of seafood. Just like some eat eggs and some use
dairy products.
They may call themselves vegetarian but they really aren't.
Post by Sidney Lambe
They are all meat-eaters. They eat animal proteins.
Post by and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Post by Sidney Lambe
So what you are saying above doesn't make sense unless you mean
vegan/herby instead of 'vegetarian' (which is just a wannabee
vegan/herby who doesn't have the courage/discipline/integrity
to do the job right but wants the credit for it.)
Sid
The difference between a vegetarian and a vegan is that
a vegetarian is *generally* understood to eat some dairy
products but not meat.
Wrong. The only thing all so-called "vegetarians" share in
common is that they supposedly don't eat mammalian flesh.
Most of them do, when people aren't looking.
But you are?
Post by Sidney Lambe
Post by and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
A vegan eats only fruits, vegetables,
legumes and grains.
Nonsense. A vegan eats any plant foods.
. . .
Thorns too?

If you want to get picky you can include all plant material as
something that a vegan might eat, but the typical vegan will eat
fruits, vegetables, grains, legumes and herbs.

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
Sidney Lambe
2010-05-13 03:41:48 UTC
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Post by Sidney Lambe
Post by and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Meat Eaters Have Double the Bone Loss
Fact City 12
On August 22, 1984, the Medical Tribune reported a major study
of bone densities in the United States. The conclusion was
typical of many such studies: "Vegetarians were found to have
significantly stronger bones."
. . .
Vegetarians ARE meateaters. They eat animal products/proteins.
You don't have to eat mammal flesh(muscles) or organs to be a meateater.A
fish
Post by and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Post by Sidney Lambe
is an animal. It isn't a plant. Dairy products don't grow
on plants. Molluscs and crustaceans are animals, not plants.
Fish is not a vegetable;
Duh. I didn't say it was.
You implied that vegetarians eat fish.
Many do.
Post by and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Post by Sidney Lambe
Post by and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
vegetarians don't eat fish or other meat.
Yes. Millions of people who callthemselves vegetarians eat
all manner of seafood. Just like some eat eggs and some use
dairy products.
They may call themselves vegetarian but they really aren't.
They call themselves vegetarians and your opinion on the
subject carries no weight with them or me.
Post by and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Post by Sidney Lambe
They are all meat-eaters. They eat animal proteins.
Post by and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Post by Sidney Lambe
So what you are saying above doesn't make sense unless you mean
vegan/herby instead of 'vegetarian' (which is just a wannabee
vegan/herby who doesn't have the courage/discipline/integrity
to do the job right but wants the credit for it.)
Sid
The difference between a vegetarian and a vegan is that
a vegetarian is *generally* understood to eat some dairy
products but not meat.
Wrong. The only thing all so-called "vegetarians" share in
common is that they supposedly don't eat mammalian flesh.
Most of them do, when people aren't looking.
But you are?
I can smell if someone eats mammalian flesh or organs.
It is a very distinctive smell. It is the smell of
cannibalism, really.

This is the kind of sensititivy you develop after decades
of eating only plants.
Post by and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Post by Sidney Lambe
Post by and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
A vegan eats only fruits, vegetables,
legumes and grains.
Nonsense. A vegan eats any plant foods.
. . .
Thorns too?
We can do without sophomoric remarks like that.
Post by and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
If you want to get picky you can include all plant material as
something that a vegan might eat, but the typical vegan will eat
fruits, vegetables, grains, legumes and herbs.
How about mushrooms and nuts? How about flowers? How about yeast
used to leaven bread? How about the fungi used to make tempeh?
How about all manner of spices from around the world. Cinnamon
is a tree bark...

You don't know what you are talking about.
Post by and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
Vegetarians are meat-eaters. They eat animal proteins.

They are in a completely different class from herbies. From
pure vegetarians.


Sid
Fred C. Dobbs
2010-05-13 04:50:03 UTC
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I can smell if someone eats mammalian flesh or organs.
No, you can't.
Post by Sidney Lambe
It is a very distinctive smell. It is the smell of
cannibalism, really.
It's not. By definition, it's not.
Mr.Smartypants
2010-05-13 14:36:33 UTC
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Post by Sidney Lambe
I can smell if someone eats mammalian flesh or organs.
No, you can't.
Yes, he can.
Post by Fred C. Dobbs
Post by Sidney Lambe
It is a very distinctive smell. It is the smell of
cannibalism, really.
It's not.  By definition, it's not.
Possibly not cannibalism but certainly the odor of a carnivore.
Fred C. Dobbs
2010-05-13 16:20:06 UTC
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Post by Fred C. Dobbs
Post by Sidney Lambe
I can smell if someone eats mammalian flesh or organs.
No, you can't.
Yes, he can.
He cannot. You can't, either.
Post by Mr.Smartypants
Post by Fred C. Dobbs
Post by Sidney Lambe
It is a very distinctive smell. It is the smell of
cannibalism, really.
It's not. By definition, it's not.
Possibly not cannibalism but
He lied. So did you. You cannot detect by smell if someone has eaten
meat. Cut the shit, Runny Cumstain.
--
Any more lip out of you and I'll haul off and let you have it...if you
know what's good for you, you won't monkey around with Fred C. Dobbs
greengrocer
2010-05-13 16:45:15 UTC
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Post by Mr.Smartypants
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Post by Sidney Lambe
I can smell if someone eats mammalian flesh or organs.
No, you can't.
Yes, he can.
He cannot. You can't, either.
I can. It's an established fact that meat eaters smell bad, especially to
vegetarians. Just like smokers smell bad to non-smokers but don't smell bad
to fellow smokers.
Post by Fred C. Dobbs
Post by Mr.Smartypants
Post by Fred C. Dobbs
Post by Sidney Lambe
It is a very distinctive smell. It is the smell of
cannibalism, really.
It's not. By definition, it's not.
Possibly not cannibalism but
He lied. So did you. You cannot detect by smell if someone has eaten
meat. Cut the shit, Runny Cumstain.
Abstract
Axillary body odor is individually specific and potentially a rich source of
information about its producer. Odor individuality partly results from
genetic individuality, but the influence of ecological factors such as
eating habits are another main source of odor variability. However, we know
very little about how particular dietary components shape our body odor.
Here we tested the effect of red meat consumption on body odor
attractiveness. We used a balanced within-subject experimental design.
Seventeen male odor donors were on "meat" or "nonmeat" diet for 2 weeks
wearing axillary pads to collect body odor during the final 24 h of the
diet. Fresh odor samples were assessed for their pleasantness,
attractiveness, masculinity, and intensity by 30 women not using hormonal
contraceptives. We repeated the same procedure a month later with the same
odor donors, each on the opposite diet than before. Results of repeated
measures analysis of variance showed that the odor of donors when on the
nonmeat diet was judged as significantly more attractive, more pleasant, and
less intense. This suggests that red meat consumption has a negative impact
on perceived body odor hedonicity.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16891352
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Any more lip out of you and I'll haul off and let you have it...if you
know what's good for you, you won't monkey around with Fred C. Dobbs
Something's wrong with that juvenile sig. Can you spot it yet?
Fred C. Dobbs
2010-05-13 16:56:14 UTC
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Post by Sidney Lambe
I can smell if someone eats mammalian flesh or organs.
No, you can't.
Yes, he can.
He cannot. You can't, either.
I can.
You can't.
Post by greengrocer
It's an established fact that meat eaters smell bad, especially
to vegetarians.
No, it's not.
Post by greengrocer
Just like smokers smell bad to non-smokers but don't
smell bad to fellow smokers.
Tobacco smoke is an external environmental pollutant that attaches
directly to the clothes and persons of smokers. It is orders of
magnitude stronger smelling than any conceivable odor coming through the
bodies of omnivores. The smell of tobacco smoke on smokers doesn't
necessarily smell bad to non-smokers, and doesn't necessarily smell good
to smokers.

It's an entirely flawed comparison.
Post by greengrocer
Post by Mr.Smartypants
Post by Fred C. Dobbs
Post by Sidney Lambe
It is a very distinctive smell. It is the smell of
cannibalism, really.
It's not. By definition, it's not.
Possibly not cannibalism but
He lied. So did you. You cannot detect by smell if someone has eaten
meat. Cut the shit, Runny Cumstain.
Abstract
Axillary body odor is individually specific and potentially a rich
source of information about its producer. [...]
Unless you're sticking your nose into the armpits of meat eaters, you
can't smell any aspect of their meat consumption.
Post by greengrocer
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Any more lip out of you and I'll haul off and let you have it...if you
know what's good for you, you won't monkey around with Fred C. Dobbs
Something's wrong with that juvenile sig. Can you spot it yet?
There's nothing at all wrong with it, and there's nothing juvenile about it.
--
Any more lip out of you and I'll haul off and let you have it...if you
know what's good for you, you won't monkey around with Fred C. Dobbs
greengrocer
2010-05-13 17:08:30 UTC
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Post by Sidney Lambe
I can smell if someone eats mammalian flesh or organs.
No, you can't.
Yes, he can.
He cannot. You can't, either.
I can.
You can't.
Yeah I can.
Post by Fred C. Dobbs
Post by greengrocer
It's an established fact that meat eaters smell bad, especially
to vegetarians.
No, it's not.
It is.
Post by Fred C. Dobbs
Post by greengrocer
Just like smokers smell bad to non-smokers but don't
smell bad to fellow smokers.
Tobacco smoke is an external environmental pollutant that attaches
directly to the clothes and persons of smokers. It is orders of magnitude
stronger smelling than any conceivable odor coming through the bodies of
omnivores.
Thanks for admitting there is a conceivable odour coming through the bodies
of meat eaters. So why did you lie when saying people can't detect that
conceivable odour, hmm?


The smell of tobacco smoke on smokers doesn't
Post by Fred C. Dobbs
necessarily smell bad to non-smokers, and doesn't necessarily smell good
to smokers.
It's an entirely flawed comparison.
Ahh, but it got you to admit you lied. The comparison worked like a charm.
Post by Fred C. Dobbs
Post by greengrocer
Post by Mr.Smartypants
Post by Fred C. Dobbs
Post by Sidney Lambe
It is a very distinctive smell. It is the smell of
cannibalism, really.
It's not. By definition, it's not.
Possibly not cannibalism but
He lied. So did you. You cannot detect by smell if someone has eaten
meat. Cut the shit, Runny Cumstain.
Abstract
Axillary body odor is individually specific and potentially a rich
source of information about its producer. [...]
Unless
Here comes the screeching of tyres and furious backpedaling.
Post by Fred C. Dobbs
you're sticking your nose into the armpits of meat eaters, you can't smell
any aspect of their meat consumption.
I can smell them when they draw close. I would never get involved in a close
relationship with a meat eater - they stink.
Post by Fred C. Dobbs
Post by greengrocer
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Any more lip out of you and I'll haul off and let you have it...if you
know what's good for you, you won't monkey around with Fred C. Dobbs
Something's wrong with that juvenile sig. Can you spot it yet?
There's nothing at all wrong with it, and there's nothing juvenile about it.
You've missed out the word 'you' between 'haul' and 'off'. Oh, and yes, it's
juvenile alright.
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Any more lip out of you and I'll haul off and let you have it...if you
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2010-05-13 17:42:25 UTC
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Post by Sidney Lambe
I can smell if someone eats mammalian flesh or organs.
No, you can't.
Yes, he can.
He cannot. You can't, either.
I can.
You can't.
Yeah I can.
You cannot.
Post by greengrocer
Post by Fred C. Dobbs
Post by greengrocer
It's an established fact that meat eaters smell bad, especially
to vegetarians.
No, it's not.
It is.
No, it's not. It's merely an article of irrational vegetarian faith.
Post by greengrocer
Post by Fred C. Dobbs
Post by greengrocer
Just like smokers smell bad to non-smokers but don't
smell bad to fellow smokers.
Tobacco smoke is an external environmental pollutant that attaches
directly to the clothes and persons of smokers. It is orders of
magnitude stronger smelling than any conceivable odor coming through
the bodies of omnivores.
Thanks for admitting there is a conceivable odour coming through the
bodies of meat eaters.
I never made such an admission. Look again.
Post by greengrocer
The smell of tobacco smoke on smokers doesn't
Post by Fred C. Dobbs
necessarily smell bad to non-smokers, and doesn't necessarily smell
good to smokers.
It's an entirely flawed comparison.
Ahh, but it got you to admit you lied.
Nope - no lie, no admission of lying. You lose, *again*.
Post by greengrocer
Post by Fred C. Dobbs
Post by greengrocer
Post by Mr.Smartypants
Post by Fred C. Dobbs
Post by Sidney Lambe
It is a very distinctive smell. It is the smell of
cannibalism, really.
It's not. By definition, it's not.
Possibly not cannibalism but
He lied. So did you. You cannot detect by smell if someone has eaten
meat. Cut the shit, Runny Cumstain.
Abstract
Axillary body odor is individually specific and potentially a rich
source of information about its producer. [...]
Unless
Here comes the screeching of tyres and furious backpedaling.
None.
Post by greengrocer
Post by Fred C. Dobbs
you're sticking your nose into the armpits of meat eaters, you can't
smell any aspect of their meat consumption.
I can smell them when they draw close.
You cannot. You're lying - it's laughably obvious you're lying. You
have an ideological need to tell this particular lie.
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Post by Fred C. Dobbs
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Any more lip out of you and I'll haul off and let you have it...if you
know what's good for you, you won't monkey around with Fred C. Dobbs
Something's wrong with that juvenile sig. Can you spot it yet?
There's nothing at all wrong with it, and there's nothing juvenile about it.
You've missed out the word 'you' between 'haul' and 'off'.
Nope. It's not there. You're an idiot Brit who is unfamiliar with
American colloquialisms. It's just another in a long list of things
with which you're unfamiliar. The line is a bit of dialog from a movie,
and it's transcribed verbatim.
Post by greengrocer
Oh, and yes, it's juvenile alright.
It's not, of course.
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greengrocer
2010-05-13 19:44:15 UTC
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Post by Sidney Lambe
I can smell if someone eats mammalian flesh or organs.
No, you can't.
Yes, he can.
He cannot. You can't, either.
I can.
You can't.
Yeah I can.
You cannot.
You might not be able to smell it because you stink of it already, but I can
because I don't stink of it, and so can those 30 women not using hormonal
contraceptives who made up part of the study.
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It's an established fact that meat eaters smell bad, especially
to vegetarians.
No, it's not.
It is.
No, it's not. It's merely an article of irrational vegetarian faith.
The article from the U.S. National Library of Medicine National Institutes
of Health says I'm right. You do stink.

Results of repeated measures analysis of variance showed that the odor of
donors when on the nonmeat diet was judged as significantly more attractive,
more pleasant, and less intense. This suggests that red meat consumption has
a negative impact on perceived body odor hedonicity.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16891352

Your diet on animals makes you stink, and people can smell it. Established
as fact.
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Any more lip out of you and I'll haul you off and let you have it...if you
know what's good for you, you won't monkey around with Fred C. Dobbs
That's better. I've fixed it for you.
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I can smell if someone eats mammalian flesh or organs.
No, you can't.
Yes, he can.
He cannot. You can't, either.
I can.
You can't.
Yeah I can.
You cannot.
You might not be able to smell it because you stink of it already, but I can
No, you cannot. You're lying.
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It's an established fact that meat eaters smell bad, especially
to vegetarians.
No, it's not.
It is.
No, it's not. It's merely an article of irrational vegetarian faith.
The article from the U.S. National Library of Medicine National
Institutes of Health says I'm right.
It doesn't. You'd have to stick your nose into a meat eater's armpits
to smell anything, and if you tried it, you'd end up in hospital - a
meat eater can always demolish a poofter veggie.
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Any more lip out of you and I'll haul off and let you have it...if
you know what's good for you, you won't monkey around with Fred C. Dobbs
That's better. I've fixed it for you.
I put it back the way it's supposed to be.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/haul+off Scroll down specifically
until you find "haul off", you limp-wristed fuckwit.
--
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know what's good for you, you won't monkey around with Fred C. Dobbs
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I can smell if someone eats mammalian flesh or organs.
No, you can't.
Yes, he can.
He cannot. You can't, either.
I can.
You can't.
Yeah I can.
You cannot.
You might not be able to smell it because you stink of it already, but I can
No, you cannot.
Yeah I can, stinky. Stop eating meat. I find your stink is offensive.
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It's an established fact that meat eaters smell bad, especially
to vegetarians.
No, it's not.
It is.
No, it's not. It's merely an article of irrational vegetarian faith.
The article from the U.S. National Library of Medicine National
Institutes of Health says I'm right.
It doesn't.
Yeah it does. You keep removing it but it's still there in the U.S. National
Library of Medicine National Institutes of Health, stinky.

You'd have to stick your nose into a meat eater's armpits
Post by Fred C. Dobbs
to smell anything, and if you tried it, you'd end up in hospital - a meat
eater can always demolish a poofter veggie.
http://www.veganfitness.net/viewtopic.php?t=723
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Any more lip out of you and I'll haul you off and let you have it...if
you know what's good for you, you won't monkey around with Fred C. Dobbs
That's better. I've fixed it for you.
Thanks greengrocer. I feel such a fool.
Any time, stinky.
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2010-05-13 22:04:00 UTC
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I can smell if someone eats mammalian flesh or organs.
No, you can't.
Yes, he can.
He cannot. You can't, either.
I can.
You can't.
Yeah I can.
You cannot.
You might not be able to smell it because you stink of it already, but I can
No, you cannot.
Yeah I can,
No, you cannot. You're lying.
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It's an established fact that meat eaters smell bad, especially
to vegetarians.
No, it's not.
It is.
No, it's not. It's merely an article of irrational vegetarian faith.
The article from the U.S. National Library of Medicine National
Institutes of Health says I'm right.
It doesn't.
Yeah it does.
It doesn't.
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Post by Fred C. Dobbs
You'd have to stick your nose into a meat eater's armpits
to smell anything, and if you tried it, you'd end up in hospital - a
meat eater can always demolish a poofter veggie.
http://www.veganfitness.net/viewtopic.php?t=723
Forget it. That's bullshit, too. An omnivore can /always/ flatten a
goddamned poofter veggie.
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Any more lip out of you and I'll haul off and let you have it...if
you know what's good for you, you won't monkey around with Fred C. Dobbs
That's better. I've fixed it for you.
You didn't.
Any time,
You didn't fix it. You didn't get it.
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2010-05-13 20:00:04 UTC
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I can smell if someone eats mammalian flesh or organs.
No, you can't.
Yes, he can.
He cannot. You can't, either.
I can.
You can't.
Yeah I can.
You cannot.
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It's an established fact that meat eaters smell bad, especially
to vegetarians.
No, it's not.
It is.
No, it's not.  It's merely an article of irrational vegetarian faith.
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Just like smokers smell bad to non-smokers but don't
smell bad to fellow smokers.
Tobacco smoke is an external environmental pollutant that attaches
directly to the clothes and persons of smokers. It is orders of
magnitude stronger smelling than any conceivable odor coming through
the bodies of omnivores.
Thanks for admitting there is a conceivable odour coming through the
bodies of meat eaters.
I never made such an admission.  Look again.
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The smell of tobacco smoke on smokers doesn't
Post by Fred C. Dobbs
necessarily smell bad to non-smokers, and doesn't necessarily smell
good to smokers.
It's an entirely flawed comparison.
Ahh, but it got you to admit you lied.
Nope - no lie, no admission of lying.  You lose, *again*.
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It is a very distinctive smell. It is the smell of
cannibalism, really.
It's not. By definition, it's not.
Possibly not cannibalism but
He lied. So did you. You cannot detect by smell if someone has eaten
meat. Cut the shit, Runny Cumstain.
Abstract
Axillary body odor is individually specific and potentially a rich
source of information about its producer. [...]
Unless
Here comes the screeching of tyres and furious backpedaling.
None.
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you're sticking your nose into the armpits of meat eaters, you can't
smell any aspect of their meat consumption.
I can smell them when they draw close.
You cannot.  You're lying - it's laughably obvious you're lying.  You
have an ideological need to tell this particular lie.
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Any more lip out of you and I'll haul off and let you have it...if you
know what's good for you, you won't monkey around with Fred C. Dobbs
Something's wrong with that juvenile sig. Can you spot it yet?
There's nothing at all wrong with it, and there's nothing juvenile about it.
You've missed out the word 'you' between 'haul' and 'off'.
Nope.  It's not there.  You're an idiot Brit who is unfamiliar with
American colloquialisms.  It's just another in a long list of things
with which you're unfamiliar.  The line is a bit of dialog from a movie,
and it's transcribed verbatim.
Post by greengrocer
Oh, and yes,  it's juvenile alright.
It's not, of course.
Goobs, the Viet Cong maintained they could smell Americans in the
jungle.

Maybe they could and maybe they couldn't but they sure whipped
America's ass.
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2010-05-13 20:32:57 UTC
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I can smell if someone eats mammalian flesh or organs.
No, you can't.
Yes, he can.
He cannot. You can't, either.
I can.
You can't.
Yeah I can.
You cannot.
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It's an established fact that meat eaters smell bad, especially
to vegetarians.
No, it's not.
It is.
No, it's not. It's merely an article of irrational vegetarian faith.
Post by greengrocer
Post by Fred C. Dobbs
Post by greengrocer
Just like smokers smell bad to non-smokers but don't
smell bad to fellow smokers.
Tobacco smoke is an external environmental pollutant that attaches
directly to the clothes and persons of smokers. It is orders of
magnitude stronger smelling than any conceivable odor coming through
the bodies of omnivores.
Thanks for admitting there is a conceivable odour coming through the
bodies of meat eaters.
I never made such an admission. Look again.
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The smell of tobacco smoke on smokers doesn't
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necessarily smell bad to non-smokers, and doesn't necessarily smell
good to smokers.
It's an entirely flawed comparison.
Ahh, but it got you to admit you lied.
Nope - no lie, no admission of lying. You lose, *again*.
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It is a very distinctive smell. It is the smell of
cannibalism, really.
It's not. By definition, it's not.
Possibly not cannibalism but
He lied. So did you. You cannot detect by smell if someone has eaten
meat. Cut the shit, Runny Cumstain.
Abstract
Axillary body odor is individually specific and potentially a rich
source of information about its producer. [...]
Unless
Here comes the screeching of tyres and furious backpedaling.
None.
Post by greengrocer
Post by Fred C. Dobbs
you're sticking your nose into the armpits of meat eaters, you can't
smell any aspect of their meat consumption.
I can smell them when they draw close.
You cannot. You're lying - it's laughably obvious you're lying. You
have an ideological need to tell this particular lie.
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Any more lip out of you and I'll haul off and let you have it...if you
know what's good for you, you won't monkey around with Fred C. Dobbs
Something's wrong with that juvenile sig. Can you spot it yet?
There's nothing at all wrong with it, and there's nothing juvenile about it.
You've missed out the word 'you' between 'haul' and 'off'.
Nope. It's not there. You're an idiot Brit who is unfamiliar with
American colloquialisms. It's just another in a long list of things
with which you're unfamiliar. The line is a bit of dialog from a movie,
and it's transcribed verbatim.
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Oh, and yes, it's juvenile alright.
It's not, of course.
Viet Cong maintained they could smell Americans in the
jungle.
Not due to anything to do with meat, if it's true at all.
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know what's good for you, you won't monkey around with Fred C. Dobbs
P. Rajah
2010-05-19 18:32:52 UTC
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I can smell if someone eats mammalian flesh or organs.
No, you can't.
Yes, he can.
He cannot. You can't, either.
I can. It's an established fact that meat eaters smell bad, especially
to vegetarians. Just like smokers smell bad to non-smokers but don't
smell bad to fellow smokers.
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It is a very distinctive smell. It is the smell of
cannibalism, really.
It's not. By definition, it's not.
Possibly not cannibalism but
He lied. So did you. You cannot detect by smell if someone has eaten
meat. Cut the shit, Runny Cumstain.
Abstract
Axillary body odor is individually specific and potentially a rich
source of information about its producer. Odor individuality partly
results from genetic individuality, but the influence of ecological
factors such as eating habits are another main source of odor
variability. However, we know very little about how particular dietary
components shape our body odor. Here we tested the effect of red meat
consumption on body odor attractiveness. We used a balanced
within-subject experimental design. Seventeen male odor donors were on
"meat" or "nonmeat" diet for 2 weeks wearing axillary pads to collect
body odor during the final 24 h of the diet. Fresh odor samples were
assessed for their pleasantness, attractiveness, masculinity, and
intensity by 30 women not using hormonal contraceptives. We repeated the
same procedure a month later with the same odor donors, each on the
opposite diet than before. Results of repeated measures analysis of
variance showed that the odor of donors when on the nonmeat diet was
judged as significantly more attractive, more pleasant, and less
intense. This suggests that red meat consumption has a negative impact
on perceived body odor hedonicity.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16891352
Onions, garlic, strong spices such as cumin and curry powder, coffee,
alcohol and fried foods also create an offensive body odor. The problem
may not be in whether meat is consumed or not, but how food is prepared
and metabolized by the individual. I have met both vegetarians as well
as omnivores with offensive b.o., and those who smell pleasant.

Two individuals whose offensive b.o. reaches well beyond their personal
spaces and into the nooks and crannies of USENET are self-declared
"vegans", Jay Stevens Maharaj and pradip parekh(who posts in all
lower-case as "harmony"), who apparently think that killing humans of a
different religion(non-Hindus) is justifiable but eating an egg for food
is not. And while Jay usually rails against "animal-source material", he
thinks nothing of consuming clarified butter(called "ghee" in India)
which is obviously animal-based. He is, however, careful not to admit to
that in English, making his remarks in poor(as in street-talk)
Roman-scripted Hindi.

and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
2010-05-13 02:26:09 UTC
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Meat Eaters Have Double the Bone Loss

Fact City 12

On August 22, 1984, the Medical Tribune reported a major study of
bone densities in the United States. The conclusion was typical of
many such studies: "Vegetarians were found to have significantly
stronger bones."

In March 1983, the Journal of Clinical Nutrition reported the results
of the largest study of this kind ever undertaken. Researchers at
Michigan State University and other major universities found that, by
the age of 65 in the United States:

*** Male vegetarians had an average measurable bone loss of 3%
xxx Male meat-eaters had an average measurable bone loss of 7%

*** Female vegetarians had an average measurable bone loss of 18%
xxx Female meat-eaters had an average measurable bone loss of 35%

By the time she reaches the age of sixty-five the average meat-eating
woman in the United States has lost over a third of her skeletal
structure. In contrast, older vegetarian women tend to remain active,
maintain erect postures, and are less likely to fracture or break
bones even with increased physical activity. If their bones do break
or fracture, they heal faster and more completely.

- Ellis, F., et al., "Incidence of Osteoporosis in Vegetarians and
Omnivores" American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 25:555, 1972

- American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, March 1983

- Wachman, Amnon, et al., "Diet and Osteoporosis" Lancet, May 4,
1968, pg. 958

Cited in Robbins, John, "Diet for A New America",
Stillpoint Publishing, 1987.

Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti

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2010-05-13 03:41:49 UTC
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[Here, a vegetarian is one who does not eat animal-source
material. - JM]
Meat Eaters Have Double the Bone Loss
Fact City 12
On August 22, 1984, the Medical Tribune reported a major study
of bone densities in the United States. The conclusion was
typical of many such studies: "Vegetarians were found to have
significantly stronger bones."
In March 1983, the Journal of Clinical Nutrition reported the
results of the largest study of this kind ever undertaken.
Researchers at Michigan State University and other major
*** Male vegetarians had an average measurable bone loss of %
3 xxx Male meat-eaters had an average measurable bone loss %
of 7 %
*** Female vegetarians had an average measurable bone loss of
18% xxx Female meat-eaters had an average measurable bone loss
of 35%
By the time she reaches the age of sixty-five the average
meat-eating woman in the United States has lost over a third
of her skeletal structure. In contrast, older vegetarian women
tend to remain active, maintain erect postures, and are less
likely to fracture or break bones even with increased physical
activity. If their bones do break or fracture, they heal faster
and more completely.
- Ellis, F., et al., "Incidence of Osteoporosis in Vegetarians
and Omnivores" American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 25:555,
1972
- American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, March 1983
- Wachman, Amnon, et al., "Diet and Osteoporosis" Lancet, May
4, 1968, pg. 958
Cited in Robbins, John, "Diet for A New America", Stillpoint
Publishing, 1987.
Jai Maharaj, Jyotish Om Shanti
You really are lost in a lala land. It is true that on
average, all other factors being equal, that pure vegetarians
are healthier than animal protein consumers, there are also
PLENTY of very unhealthy pure vegetarians around.

And PLENTY of very healthy people who live on junk food
that includes large quantities of very low quality mammalian
and avian an piscean flesh.

Unless you have written permission from John Robbins, you
are violating his copyright.

[delete]
Post by and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Since newsgroup posts are being removed by forgery by one or
more net terrorists, this post may be reposted several times.
That's impossible. No one can remove posts from the Usenet. It
is a distributed network of servers and there are scores of
Usenet archives and many people keep local newspools (like me)
that go back for years.

Sid
P. Rajah
2010-05-13 11:58:44 UTC
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[Here, a vegetarian is one who does not eat animal-source material. - JM]
Wrong, jyotishithead! The article does not refer to vegans, but vegetarians.
Post by and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Meat Eaters Have Double the Bone Loss
Fact City 12
On August 22, 1984, the Medical Tribune reported a major study of
bone densities in the United States. The conclusion was typical of
many such studies: "Vegetarians were found to have significantly
stronger bones."
In March 1983, the Journal of Clinical Nutrition reported the results
of the largest study of this kind ever undertaken. Researchers at
Michigan State University and other major universities found that, by
*** Male vegetarians had an average measurable bone loss of 3%
xxx Male meat-eaters had an average measurable bone loss of 7%
*** Female vegetarians had an average measurable bone loss of 18%
xxx Female meat-eaters had an average measurable bone loss of 35%
The problem with studies like this is that they compare a group of
health-conscious people with a group that is not. It's like comparing a
group of sedentary Catholics with a group of active Presbyterians, and
concluding that the better health of the Presbyterians is the result of
their worship practices.

Vegetarians in western countries tend to be people who make a conscious
decision to change their dietary practices, and usually incorporate
healthy practices such as exercise and avoidance of tobacco, refined
sugars and alcohol in their diets.

And then there are the studies which suggest different results:
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/vegetarian-diet-leads-to-lower-bone-density
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2009/07/02/vegan-bone-density.html
Fred C. Dobbs
2010-05-12 15:22:54 UTC
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Meat Eaters Have Double the Bone Loss
_Pseudo_-Fact City 12
[...]
- Ellis, F., et al., "Incidence of Osteoporosis in Vegetarians and
Omnivores" American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 25:555, 1972
- American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, March 1983
- Wachman, Amnon, et al., "Diet and Osteoporosis" Lancet, May 4,
1968, pg. 958
MIS-Cited in Robbins, John, "Diet for A New America",
Stillpoint Publishing, 1987.
Look at the dates on this bullshit!

This is just about certain *NOT* to be the current state of scientific
finding on this. The crazed vegetarian crusader, not-a-doctor Jay
Stevens aka the jyotishithead, will spew any bullshit imaginable to try
to make his "lifestyle" seem better.
Mr.Smartypants
2010-05-12 20:52:25 UTC
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Post by and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Meat Eaters Have Double the Bone Loss
_Pseudo_-Fact City 12
[...]
  - Ellis, F., et al., "Incidence of Osteoporosis in Vegetarians and
Omnivores" American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 25:555, 1972
  - American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, March 1983
  - Wachman, Amnon, et al., "Diet and Osteoporosis" Lancet, May 4,
1968, pg. 958
MIS-Cited in Robbins, John, "Diet for A New America",
Stillpoint Publishing, 1987.
Look at the dates on this bullshit!
This is just about certain *NOT* to be the current state of scientific
finding on this.  The crazed vegetarian crusader, not-a-doctor Jay
Stevens aka the jyotishithead, will spew any bullshit imaginable to try
to make his "lifestyle" seem better.-
LOL!!!

You stupid f***!

What you really mean is we should be looking at the latest meat
industry "science" that was concocted to dispell the research of 1984.

It's quite apparent that being a meat industry shill is NOT your
forte, Goobs.

You're no good at it.
Fred C. Dobbs
2010-05-12 21:08:57 UTC
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Post by Fred C. Dobbs
Post by and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
Meat Eaters Have Double the Bone Loss
_Pseudo_-Fact City 12
[...]
- Ellis, F., et al., "Incidence of Osteoporosis in Vegetarians and
Omnivores" American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 25:555, 1972
- American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, March 1983
- Wachman, Amnon, et al., "Diet and Osteoporosis" Lancet, May 4,
1968, pg. 958
MIS-Cited in Robbins, John, "Diet for A New America",
Stillpoint Publishing, 1987.
Look at the dates on this bullshit!
This is just about certain *NOT* to be the current state of scientific
finding on this. The crazed vegetarian crusader, not-a-doctor Jay
Stevens aka the jyotishithead, will spew any bullshit imaginable to try
to make his "lifestyle" seem better.-
You stupid f***!
No you're evaporating, Runny. First you melted down, now you're
evaporating.

Too funny...
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